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PadronMan©®
2003-06-25 16:53:45 UTC
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Ok all this talk about Pink Floyd has got me thinking. Who do you tend to
follow/like more from Pink Floyd

Roger Waters
David Gilmore

I choose and like Roger Waters best. Loved his voice and the talent he had.

You'?

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King of Harts
2003-06-25 17:21:21 UTC
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Post by PadronMan©®
Ok all this talk about Pink Floyd has got me thinking. Who do you tend to
follow/like more from Pink Floyd
Roger Waters
David Gilmore
I choose and like Roger Waters best. Loved his voice and the talent he had.
You'?
I agree. BTW all this Pink Floyd talk has got me thinking that its time to
go pick up a copy of "Dark Side of the Moon" on Super Audio CD (I won a
super-audio CD player a year ago) now that it has been released!

King of Harts
Travis
2003-06-25 18:00:48 UTC
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it isn't THAT impressive (i purchased it about ohhh .. must be 3 weeks ago)
..... but .. it deffinatly is worth it just to have it ... don't expect the
cash register noises to be swirling around you though :)
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Post by PadronMan©®
Ok all this talk about Pink Floyd has got me thinking. Who do you tend to
follow/like more from Pink Floyd
Roger Waters
David Gilmore
I choose and like Roger Waters best. Loved his voice and the talent he
had.
Post by PadronMan©®
You'?
I agree. BTW all this Pink Floyd talk has got me thinking that its time to
go pick up a copy of "Dark Side of the Moon" on Super Audio CD (I won a
super-audio CD player a year ago) now that it has been released!
King of Harts
Salmon Pink
2003-06-25 21:46:24 UTC
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Eh. Gilmore's just the guitar-player. The real choice is between Roger
Waters and Syd Barrett. I've probably spent more time listening to
Waters-era Pink Floyd, but nowadays I'd be more likely to listen to Syd.
(Roger is so damned serious.)
Post by Travis
it isn't THAT impressive (i purchased it about ohhh .. must be 3 weeks ago)
..... but .. it deffinatly is worth it just to have it ... don't expect the
cash register noises to be swirling around you though :)
Post by King of Harts
Post by PadronMan©®
Ok all this talk about Pink Floyd has got me thinking. Who do you tend
to
Post by King of Harts
Post by PadronMan©®
follow/like more from Pink Floyd
Roger Waters
David Gilmore
I choose and like Roger Waters best. Loved his voice and the talent he
had.
Post by PadronMan©®
You'?
I agree. BTW all this Pink Floyd talk has got me thinking that its time to
go pick up a copy of "Dark Side of the Moon" on Super Audio CD (I won a
super-audio CD player a year ago) now that it has been released!
King of Harts
MLN
2003-06-26 14:23:50 UTC
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With all due respect, I think that Gillmore is more than just a guitar player.
Post by Salmon Pink
Eh. Gilmore's just the guitar-player. The real choice is between Roger
Waters and Syd Barrett. I've probably spent more time listening to
Waters-era Pink Floyd, but nowadays I'd be more likely to listen to Syd.
(Roger is so damned serious.)
Post by Travis
it isn't THAT impressive (i purchased it about ohhh .. must be 3 weeks
ago)
Post by Travis
..... but .. it deffinatly is worth it just to have it ... don't expect
the
Post by Travis
cash register noises to be swirling around you though :)
Post by King of Harts
Post by PadronMan©®
Ok all this talk about Pink Floyd has got me thinking. Who do you tend
to
Post by King of Harts
Post by PadronMan©®
follow/like more from Pink Floyd
Roger Waters
David Gilmore
I choose and like Roger Waters best. Loved his voice and the talent he
had.
Post by PadronMan©®
You'?
I agree. BTW all this Pink Floyd talk has got me thinking that its time
to
Post by Travis
Post by King of Harts
go pick up a copy of "Dark Side of the Moon" on Super Audio CD (I won a
super-audio CD player a year ago) now that it has been released!
King of Harts
King of Harts
2003-06-25 22:04:12 UTC
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... don't expect the cash register noises to be swirling around you though
:)

money, it's a bitch
Stogie
2003-06-25 20:51:10 UTC
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Post by King of Harts
Post by PadronMan©®
I choose and like Roger Waters best. Loved his voice and the talent he had.
You'?
I agree. BTW all this Pink Floyd talk has got me thinking that its time to
go pick up a copy of "Dark Side of the Moon" on Super Audio CD (I won a
super-audio CD player a year ago) now that it has been released!
Waters here as well. I particularly liked his album Radio K.A.O.S.

As for "Dark Side of the Moon", I bought the Ultradisc gold CD of that
many many moons ago (pun intended) and have that plus the normal CD.

I also have "The Wall" on both VHS and DVD.
Fulcrum_29
2003-06-25 23:51:22 UTC
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Post by King of Harts
I agree. BTW all this Pink Floyd talk has got me thinking that its time to
go pick up a copy of "Dark Side of the Moon" on Super Audio CD (I won a
super-audio CD player a year ago) now that it has been released!
WTF is super audio CD??? Sounds like something as lame as HDTV...


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Alex W.
2003-06-26 00:53:52 UTC
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Post by Fulcrum_29
Post by King of Harts
I agree. BTW all this Pink Floyd talk has got me
thinking that its time to
Post by Fulcrum_29
Post by King of Harts
go pick up a copy of "Dark Side of the Moon" on Super
Audio CD (I won a
Post by Fulcrum_29
Post by King of Harts
super-audio CD player a year ago) now that it has been
released!
Post by Fulcrum_29
WTF is super audio CD??? Sounds like something as lame as
HDTV...

Think of it as an extra-high quality CD.

http://www.sacdinfo.com/faq.html
Miss Elaine Eos
2003-06-26 01:48:25 UTC
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Post by Alex W.
Post by Fulcrum_29
WTF is super audio CD??? Sounds like something as lame as
HDTV...
Think of it as an extra-high quality CD.
http://www.sacdinfo.com/faq.html
I thought that the whole point of CD was that it was such "high quality"
(something us audiophiles have known to be a lie since they first came
out.) Now, all of a sudden, the human hearing range has expanded such
that this uber-medium needs an improvment?

Surprize...

Misc "I have an idea: analog audio."
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2003-06-26 06:56:48 UTC
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Post by Miss Elaine Eos
I thought that the whole point of CD was that it was such "high quality"
(something us audiophiles have known to be a lie since they first came
out.) Now, all of a sudden, the human hearing range has expanded such
that this uber-medium needs an improvment?
What i get a kick out of is how people think a 20 year old recording can get
better if it's on some new and better format... Think about the limitations
of recording equipment in the 70s. This super-audio stuff might be great,
but it's not retroactive. If the equipment they recorded the stuff could
only go to "eleven" and now you have some new gizmo that can take levels up
to twelve, which is just one more, is there any possibly way that recording
at "eleven" can get to twelve? Sorry, but you're limited to the "eleven."

Want an example? Listen to the best possible recording on earth of the
Beatles "Revolution." You can hear how the recording equipment is ranging
out, it simply couldn't handle "eleven" thus it got cut off and left at ten.
Super Duper audio CD ain't gonna be able to get back that one more, because
it was never there in the first place. Garbage in, Garbage out.

But if you wanna run out and buy a whole new collection of
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious-CDs just so that you can pretend to hear
something that was never there in the first place... you're more than
welcome to. Besides, don't you think it's just a gimmick by record
companies to get you to buy CDs again? Rather than just downloading and
burning like the rest of the world?



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Alex W.
2003-06-26 08:43:21 UTC
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Post by Fulcrum_29
Post by Miss Elaine Eos
I thought that the whole point of CD was that it was
such "high quality"
Post by Fulcrum_29
Post by Miss Elaine Eos
(something us audiophiles have known to be a lie since
they first came
Post by Fulcrum_29
Post by Miss Elaine Eos
out.) Now, all of a sudden, the human hearing range has
expanded such
Post by Fulcrum_29
Post by Miss Elaine Eos
that this uber-medium needs an improvment?
What i get a kick out of is how people think a 20 year old
recording can get
Post by Fulcrum_29
better if it's on some new and better format... Think
about the limitations
Post by Fulcrum_29
of recording equipment in the 70s. This super-audio stuff
might be great,
Post by Fulcrum_29
but it's not retroactive. If the equipment they recorded
the stuff could
Post by Fulcrum_29
only go to "eleven" and now you have some new gizmo that
can take levels up
Post by Fulcrum_29
to twelve, which is just one more, is there any possibly
way that recording
Post by Fulcrum_29
at "eleven" can get to twelve? Sorry, but you're limited
to the "eleven."
Post by Fulcrum_29
Want an example? Listen to the best possible recording on
earth of the
Post by Fulcrum_29
Beatles "Revolution." You can hear how the recording
equipment is ranging
Post by Fulcrum_29
out, it simply couldn't handle "eleven" thus it got cut
off and left at ten.
Post by Fulcrum_29
Super Duper audio CD ain't gonna be able to get back that
one more, because
Post by Fulcrum_29
it was never there in the first place. Garbage in,
Garbage out.

Bad example.
The Beatles never did digital, they always recorded analog.
This means that to all intents and purposes, there was no
cutoff. What was there, was recorded. Unlike digital
recordings, analog has not cutoff or compression.
Post by Fulcrum_29
But if you wanna run out and buy a whole new collection of
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious-CDs just so that you
can pretend to hear
Post by Fulcrum_29
something that was never there in the first place...
you're more than
Post by Fulcrum_29
welcome to. Besides, don't you think it's just a gimmick
by record
Post by Fulcrum_29
companies to get you to buy CDs again? Rather than just
downloading and
Post by Fulcrum_29
burning like the rest of the world?
Sure it's a gimmick.
But with a bit of luck it's also an answer to either
DVD-Audio, which is crap, or to ripping music off the
internet, which is the worst possible way you can record
music.
François Yves Le Gal
2003-06-26 15:57:10 UTC
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Of course, what do I know; I'm just a cigar smoker, and moderately big
Floyd fan.
Did this have something to do with cigars?
"Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar.
You're gonna go far, fly high,
You're never gonna die,
You're gonna make it if you try;
They're gonna love you.
Well I've always had a deep respect,
And I mean that most sincerely.
The band is just fantastic,
that is really what I think.
Oh by the way, which one's Pink?
And did we tell you the name of the game, boy,
We call it Riding the Gravy Train."

Have a Cigar, Roger Waters
Salmon Pink
2003-06-26 14:07:15 UTC
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Speaking of old recording equipment, anyone else here heard the new White
Stripes album? I understand it was recorded entirely on 30+ year-old
equipment. It sounds fabulous. To fully appreciate it, though, I suppose
I'll have to listen to it on vinyl.
Post by Fulcrum_29
What i get a kick out of is how people think a 20 year old recording can get
better if it's on some new and better format... Think about the limitations
of recording equipment in the 70s. This super-audio stuff might be great,
but it's not retroactive. If the equipment they recorded the stuff could
only go to "eleven" and now you have some new gizmo that can take levels up
to twelve, which is just one more, is there any possibly way that recording
at "eleven" can get to twelve? Sorry, but you're limited to the "eleven."
Want an example? Listen to the best possible recording on earth of the
Beatles "Revolution." You can hear how the recording equipment is ranging
out, it simply couldn't handle "eleven" thus it got cut off and left at ten.
Super Duper audio CD ain't gonna be able to get back that one more, because
it was never there in the first place. Garbage in, Garbage out.
But if you wanna run out and buy a whole new collection of
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious-CDs just so that you can pretend to hear
something that was never there in the first place... you're more than
welcome to. Besides, don't you think it's just a gimmick by record
companies to get you to buy CDs again? Rather than just downloading and
burning like the rest of the world?
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PadronMan©®
2003-06-26 14:57:06 UTC
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I love the White Stripes and I also love how they recorded it on old
equipment.



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Post by Salmon Pink
Speaking of old recording equipment, anyone else here heard the new White
Stripes album? I understand it was recorded entirely on 30+ year-old
equipment. It sounds fabulous. To fully appreciate it, though, I suppose
I'll have to listen to it on vinyl.
Post by Fulcrum_29
What i get a kick out of is how people think a 20 year old recording can
get
Post by Fulcrum_29
better if it's on some new and better format... Think about the
limitations
Post by Fulcrum_29
of recording equipment in the 70s. This super-audio stuff might be great,
but it's not retroactive. If the equipment they recorded the stuff could
only go to "eleven" and now you have some new gizmo that can take levels
up
Post by Fulcrum_29
to twelve, which is just one more, is there any possibly way that
recording
Post by Fulcrum_29
at "eleven" can get to twelve? Sorry, but you're limited to the "eleven."
Want an example? Listen to the best possible recording on earth of the
Beatles "Revolution." You can hear how the recording equipment is ranging
out, it simply couldn't handle "eleven" thus it got cut off and left at
ten.
Post by Fulcrum_29
Super Duper audio CD ain't gonna be able to get back that one more,
because
Post by Fulcrum_29
it was never there in the first place. Garbage in, Garbage out.
But if you wanna run out and buy a whole new collection of
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious-CDs just so that you can pretend to
hear
Post by Fulcrum_29
something that was never there in the first place... you're more than
welcome to. Besides, don't you think it's just a gimmick by record
companies to get you to buy CDs again? Rather than just downloading and
burning like the rest of the world?
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King of Harts
2003-06-29 04:52:00 UTC
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Post by Fulcrum_29
Post by Miss Elaine Eos
I thought that the whole point of CD was that it was such "high quality"
(something us audiophiles have known to be a lie since they first came
out.) Now, all of a sudden, the human hearing range has expanded such
that this uber-medium needs an improvment?
What i get a kick out of is how people think a 20 year old recording can get
better if it's on some new and better format... Think about the limitations
of recording equipment in the 70s. This super-audio stuff might be great,
but it's not retroactive. If the equipment they recorded the stuff could
only go to "eleven" and now you have some new gizmo that can take levels up
to twelve, which is just one more, is there any possibly way that recording
at "eleven" can get to twelve? Sorry, but you're limited to the "eleven."
Want an example? Listen to the best possible recording on earth of the
Beatles "Revolution." You can hear how the recording equipment is ranging
out, it simply couldn't handle "eleven" thus it got cut off and left at ten.
Super Duper audio CD ain't gonna be able to get back that one more, because
it was never there in the first place. Garbage in, Garbage out.
But if you wanna run out and buy a whole new collection of
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious-CDs just so that you can pretend to hear
something that was never there in the first place... you're more than
welcome to. Besides, don't you think it's just a gimmick by record
companies to get you to buy CDs again? Rather than just downloading and
burning like the rest of the world?
Super Audio CD actually provides the capability for 6 channel surround sound
such as that found on most DVD's today. This opens up some interesting
possibilities for enhancing recordings. While I agree that the quality of an
analog recording cannot really be improved upon it can be manipulated in to
provide a unique listening experience. For example, the first SACD that I
purchased was Miles Davis - "Kind of Blue" in which the recording was
enhanced to create space between the instruments so that the listener can
actually sense where in the room each musician was located during the
recording. The original dimensions of the recording studio were used to
calculate the exact position of the musicians as well as to add an
appropriate level of reverberation off the studio walls. The overall
sensation is that you are sitting in the studio with the musicians as they
recording the album.

That said, many albums don't sound much, if any, different than the original
recordings and therefore, I don't purchase them. As I mentioned, I won a
system that allows playback of SACDs, but I wouldn't have gone out and
purchased a player just to have that capability. However, many new DVD
players do offer SACD playback and if you happen to purchase one of those
you might find that for some albums it provides an entirely different and
enjoyable listening experience.

If you're ever in the Seattle area, let me know and I'll invite you over for
a listen and a smoke.

King of Harts
Travis
2003-06-25 18:09:15 UTC
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Roger Waters = amazing ... i much prefer the band WITH him then without ..
but David Gilmour was such a driving force of that band ... he did all the
production work on "Shine on you Crazy Diamond" and "Wish you were here" (my
2 favorite Pink Floyd songs) ... along /w his amazing signature guitar sound
... and to be honest i think David does have the better singing vocie and
while he is an amazing lead guitarist, the band just wasn't the same after
Roger left.

ahh .. and my favorite piece of collectable PF material I have is a
newspaper comic that came out around the same time as Dark Side of the Moon
.. it's an original comic drawn in black ink and signed by the artist
basically two big letters "U and S" filled up by the words "them" inside in
all sorts of fonts........ sure might be obscure but I guess I am a sucker
for original drawings/artwork
Post by PadronMan©®
Ok all this talk about Pink Floyd has got me thinking. Who do you tend to
follow/like more from Pink Floyd
Roger Waters
David Gilmore
I choose and like Roger Waters best. Loved his voice and the talent he had.
You'?
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MLN
2003-06-25 18:46:14 UTC
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Both are great musicians, but from what I've read Roger always put more
emphasis on the lyrics whereas music was a sort of a secondary thing for him.
His vision was more simplistic music with powerful lyrics. Dave on the other
side it seems to have always been strong on the music side. I would go with
Dave!
Post by PadronMan©®
Ok all this talk about Pink Floyd has got me thinking. Who do you tend to
follow/like more from Pink Floyd
Roger Waters
David Gilmore
I choose and like Roger Waters best. Loved his voice and the talent he had.
You'?
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unknown
2003-06-25 19:06:18 UTC
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:53:45 -0700, "PadronMan©®"
Post by PadronMan©®
Ok all this talk about Pink Floyd has got me thinking. Who do you tend to
follow/like more from Pink Floyd
Roger Waters
David Gilmore
Neither. I liked a couple of songs from them, but as a whole, I
really never liked their music.

I enjoy all kinds of music(except Jazz), but simply when it
pleasures my ear. I know that many view music as a language and
communication form unto itself. I've never seen/heard it that way. My
loss.
Jeez, I know I've set myself up as the anti-christ for dissing Jazz
in this place, but I never could stand it. :-)
Stogie
2003-06-25 20:52:25 UTC
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Post by unknown
Jeez, I know I've set myself up as the anti-christ for dissing Jazz
in this place, but I never could stand it. :-)
I be right there witcha.
Sprocket
2003-06-25 22:47:16 UTC
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Post by Stogie
Post by unknown
Jeez, I know I've set myself up as the anti-christ for dissing Jazz
in this place, but I never could stand it. :-)
I be right there witcha.
Oh are you from Kansas too?

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BTORVIK2
2003-06-26 13:59:54 UTC
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Post by Stogie
Post by unknown
Jeez, I know I've set myself up as the anti-christ for dissing Jazz
in this place, but I never could stand it. :-)
I be right there witcha.
Although there are certainly many non-musicians who appreciate and enjoy jazz,
I think people who play a musical instrument especially likely to appreciate
jazz.

One who plays really knows the talent required both from a technical and a
creative standpoint it takes to play good jazz.

You are basically rewriting the song every time you play it.

Rephrasing, chord substitution, varying time signitures, etc keep the songs new
and alive (although I have been accused of murdering a few in my day).

I play a little piano. Oscar Peterson is one of my favorites and was an
influence on my style.

As much as I enjoy listening to him however, sometimes I'm so overwhelmed by
his technique that I feel like cutting my hands off at the wrists.


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lee
2003-06-26 14:24:35 UTC
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Post by BTORVIK2
Post by Stogie
Post by unknown
Jeez, I know I've set myself up as the anti-christ for dissing Jazz
in this place, but I never could stand it. :-)
I be right there witcha.
Although there are certainly many non-musicians who appreciate and enjoy jazz,
I think people who play a musical instrument especially likely to appreciate
jazz.
One who plays really knows the talent required both from a technical and a
creative standpoint it takes to play good jazz.
You are basically rewriting the song every time you play it.
Rephrasing, chord substitution, varying time signitures, etc keep the songs new
and alive (although I have been accused of murdering a few in my day).
I play a little piano.
You should get a full-sized one.
Miss Elaine Eos
2003-06-26 15:42:34 UTC
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Post by lee
Post by BTORVIK2
I play a little piano.
You should get a full-sized one.
"Well, you don't think I ASKED for a 12" pianist, do you?!"
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2003-06-26 21:59:17 UTC
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Post by Miss Elaine Eos
Post by lee
Post by BTORVIK2
I play a little piano.
You should get a full-sized one.
"Well, you don't think I ASKED for a 12" pianist, do you?!"
Sorry, but I'm busy this weekend.
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BTORVIK2
2003-06-27 15:10:53 UTC
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Post by Miss Elaine Eos
Post by lee
Post by BTORVIK2
I play a little piano.
You should get a full-sized one.
"Well, you don't think I ASKED for a 12" pianist, do you?!"
Where did all those ducks come from?

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SiggiStardust
2003-06-26 15:09:54 UTC
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Post by BTORVIK2
Post by Stogie
Post by unknown
Jeez, I know I've set myself up as the anti-christ for dissing Jazz
in this place, but I never could stand it. :-)
I be right there witcha.
Although there are certainly many non-musicians who appreciate and enjoy jazz,
I think people who play a musical instrument especially likely to appreciate
jazz.
One who plays really knows the talent required both from a technical and a
creative standpoint it takes to play good jazz.
But that kind of attitude changes your enjoyment of music. To the
worse IMO. My friends started playing musical instruments more
seriously a while ago (one is playing a guitar, the other drums and
classical guitar; and quite good for men of my age). They started
liking jazz, as you said. Or better: appreciating; they lost the sense
for pure joy in music. Now they always dissect everything they listen
too; hear mistakes; and so on. They both said it changed their
experience of music. They just can't purely enjoy it anymore.

While I'm an ignoramus at music, but I can still enjoy punk, music we
used to all like years back. Music played with only three accords,
some drums and bass and a lot of screaming.
Why? I just don't know when a song is complicated or hard to play; or
when the guitarst is doing magic with his guitar. This is not the
criteria I rate music by. I just ask myself: Do you like it? If yes I
don't give a damn if it's played on trash cans. And this, IMO, is how
music should be considered.


Tine







--
"You think you're so fucking cool, don't you? You think you're so fucking cool. This once i would like to hear you scream in pain."
"Play some rap music."
SiggiStardust
2003-06-26 18:01:37 UTC
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"SiggiStardust" wrote:> But that kind of attitude changes your enjoyment of
music. To the
worse IMO. (snip)
To say that a knowledge of music and appreciation of difficulty is to the
detriment of the listeners enjoyment.....well, that doesn't float for me.
While I appreciate your sense of just listening and enjoying purely on the
merits of whether you like it or not, you just can't imagine how a little
knowledge of music and instruments can put your listening enjoyment into a
whole other place. That's from someone who does have some working knowledge
of musicianship and isn't too old to remember my views before I did.
chris
( and yes, I do indeed love jazz.)
I based my opinion on testimonials on my two friends (OK, they don't
really have so much experience, but still... they are nice guys and
now helluva lot more about making music than the majority of people my
age). Whole other place is just right - I fully agree with you. You
look upon music as something different, maybe a structure; with all
it's pieces, nuts & bolts. You (meaning y'all, the human being)
analyse it, but the raw experience gets somhow lost. You listen to
different instruments, how they all combine... And the whole picture
gets more difficult to look at.
I, for myself, never liked listening only to certain instruments in
music (which is probably all I can analyze in a song). But this is my
preference.
Now imagine that: you like sausage? Yes, sausage is kewl, good and
enjoyable. but would you enjoy it as much when you know what is it
really made of? Might be an extreme example, but it's just used here
to illustrate things. Now imagine you are eating a wurst and now it is
made among other things of poo. You start tasting odd notes in the
flavour. IMO not very enjoyable. This is why I stopped eating wiener
sausage.



Tine






--
"You think you're so fucking cool, don't you? You think you're so fucking cool. This once i would like to hear you scream in pain."
"Play some rap music."
HoyoD
2003-06-27 00:11:23 UTC
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snip a bunch of cogent stuff<
I understand what you're saying, Tine, but for me the music is only richer
and more enjoyable with the knowledge. Personally, I can switch my
analytical mind off when I just want to float with the music. I don't feel
the need to take apart and analyze everything all the time and I'm pretty
sure that's the case with most musicians (at least most I know).
I do like your analogy to sausage though. Again, though. I just shut those
thoughts out of my head every time I bite into a good bratwurst. Hell, it
tastes too good to worry about what's in it. (Pretty ignorant statement,
huh?)

chris
SiggiStardust
2003-06-27 12:41:49 UTC
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Post by HoyoD
snip a bunch of cogent stuff<
I understand what you're saying, Tine, but for me the music is only richer
and more enjoyable with the knowledge. Personally, I can switch my
analytical mind off when I just want to float with the music. I don't feel
the need to take apart and analyze everything all the time and I'm pretty
sure that's the case with most musicians (at least most I know).
I do like your analogy to sausage though. Again, though. I just shut those
thoughts out of my head every time I bite into a good bratwurst. Hell, it
tastes too good to worry about what's in it. (Pretty ignorant statement,
huh?)
chris
I really see no way how one could surive in this world today without
being ignorant. Not only when eating sausages...


Tine







--
"You think you're so fucking cool, don't you? You think you're so fucking cool. This once i would like to hear you scream in pain."
"Play some rap music."
BTORVIK2
2003-06-27 15:07:26 UTC
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Post by HoyoD
I bite into a good bratwurst. Hell, it
tastes too good to worry about what's in it. (Pretty ignorant statement,
huh?)
Actually it's not that far off the mark.

One of the main reason we have a sense of taste (and smell) is to help us
determine what we should and shouldn't eat.

It's not 100% on, but it's not chopped liver either...so to speak.


bernie
"Official ASC Shaman"
BTORVIK2
2003-06-27 14:59:59 UTC
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Post by SiggiStardust
I based my opinion on testimonials on my two friends (OK, they don't
really have so much experience, but still... they are nice guys and
now helluva lot more about making music than the majority of people
I definitely think experience has a mellowing effect on ones musical
perception.

A newer musician tends to be really "hungry" to learn by analyzing, listening,
etc.

As you become more comfortable (or resigned) you go back a little more towards
just listening to the music rather than disecting or analyzing it that much.

bernie
"Official ASC Shaman"
smoke
2003-06-28 10:47:20 UTC
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Post by SiggiStardust
Now imagine that: you like sausage? Yes, sausage is kewl, good and
enjoyable. but would you enjoy it as much when you know what is it
really made of? Might be an extreme example, but it's just used here
to illustrate things. Now imagine you are eating a wurst and now it is
made among other things of poo. You start tasting odd notes in the
flavour. IMO not very enjoyable. This is why I stopped eating wiener
sausage.
Tine
Siggi, come to Pennsylvania. We have a wonderful breakfast dish called
"Scrapple." Been eating it since I was a child :-)
(http://www.chickenhead.com/scrapple/)

Ken W.

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BTORVIK2
2003-06-27 14:55:59 UTC
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Post by SiggiStardust
Post by BTORVIK2
One who plays really knows the talent required both from a technical and a
creative standpoint it takes to play good jazz.
But that kind of attitude changes your enjoyment of music. To the
worse IMO. My friends started playing musical instruments more
seriously a while ago (one is playing a guitar, the other drums and
classical guitar; and quite good for men of my age). They started
liking jazz, as you said. Or better: appreciating; they lost the sense
for pure joy in music. Now they always dissect everything they listen
too; hear mistakes; and so on. They both said it changed their
experience of music. They just can't purely enjoy it anymore.
While I'm an ignoramus at music, but I can still enjoy punk, music we
used to all like years back. Music played with only three accords,
some drums and bass and a lot of screaming.
Why? I just don't know when a song is complicated or hard to play; or
when the guitarst is doing magic with his guitar. This is not the
criteria I rate music by. I just ask myself: Do you like it? If yes I
don't give a damn if it's played on trash cans. And this, IMO, is how
music should be considered.
Tine
--
"You think you're so fucking cool, don't you? You think you're so fucking
cool. This once i would like to hear you scream in pain."
"Play some rap music."
Not necessarily over the long run.

When I was younger I guess I was a bit of a "musical snob" but as I got older
(and wiser?) I learned to appreciate the talent involved in all aspects of
music.

I still have my preferences but I think being a musician (of sorts) has given
me an enhanced appreciation of all forms of music...jazz, rock, country, etc.

That doesn't mean I necessarily enjoy music any more or less than a
non-musician. Just that I may enjoy it from a slightly different perspective.

I do have to admit that I still have really gotten into rap or hip-hop but I do
appreciate the skills that some of the rappers have.

bernie
"Official ASC Shaman"
SiggiStardust
2003-06-25 20:27:02 UTC
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:53:45 -0700, "PadronMan©®"
Post by PadronMan©®
Ok all this talk about Pink Floyd has got me thinking. Who do you tend to
follow/like more from Pink Floyd
Roger Waters
David Gilmore
I choose and like Roger Waters best. Loved his voice and the talent he had.
You'?
Um, I gather I'm too young to really know a difference (who's who was
never my strength). But for all that matters: I love their early
albums. Ummagumma Live is my favourite. This new stuff - The Wall, and
so on and so forth (last was 1991, right?) is somehow weaker in
vision, karma, magic... tends to become more common, down-to-earth.
This started IMO with Dark side of the Moon and Wish you were here,
but those were still great albums.


Tine



--
"You think you're so fucking cool, don't you? You think you're so fucking cool. This once i would like to hear you scream in pain."
"Play some rap music."
PadronMan©®
2003-06-25 20:19:31 UTC
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Post by unknown
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:53:45 -0700, "PadronMan©®"
Um, I gather I'm too young to really know a difference (who's who was
never my strength). But for all that matters: I love their early
albums. Ummagumma Live is my favourite. This new stuff - The Wall, and
so on and so forth (last was 1991, right?) is somehow weaker in
vision, karma, magic... tends to become more common, down-to-earth.
This started IMO with Dark side of the Moon and Wish you were here,
but those were still great albums.
The Wall Was inspired and deep. The movie makes it even more so. But I agree
that Dark Side and Wish you were here are awesome albums.

PadronMan
SiggiStardust
2003-06-25 21:59:08 UTC
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:19:31 -0700, "PadronMan©®"
Post by PadronMan©®
Post by unknown
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:53:45 -0700, "PadronMan©®"
Um, I gather I'm too young to really know a difference (who's who was
never my strength). But for all that matters: I love their early
albums. Ummagumma Live is my favourite. This new stuff - The Wall, and
so on and so forth (last was 1991, right?) is somehow weaker in
vision, karma, magic... tends to become more common, down-to-earth.
This started IMO with Dark side of the Moon and Wish you were here,
but those were still great albums.
The Wall Was inspired and deep. The movie makes it even more so.
Indeed, it was (is). It follows an idea, tells us a story. It is a
good album. But the music from The Wall never accomplished me having
out-of-body experiences. The lyrics are great though. But I often
don't listen to lyrics. Singing becomes a component of the music.

Like, remember the last part of Ummagumma Live (phono 2)? You can hear
only screaming, acompanied with great music. This is the best part on
that album.

Tine







--
"You think you're so fucking cool, don't you? You think you're so fucking cool. This once i would like to hear you scream in pain."
"Play some rap music."
ZJ Driver
2003-06-26 01:41:33 UTC
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Post by SiggiStardust
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:19:31 -0700, "PadronMan©®"
Post by PadronMan©®
Post by unknown
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:53:45 -0700, "PadronMan©®"
Um, I gather I'm too young to really know a difference (who's who was
never my strength). But for all that matters: I love their early
albums. Ummagumma Live is my favourite. This new stuff - The Wall, and
so on and so forth (last was 1991, right?) is somehow weaker in
vision, karma, magic... tends to become more common, down-to-earth.
This started IMO with Dark side of the Moon and Wish you were here,
but those were still great albums.
The Wall Was inspired and deep. The movie makes it even more so.
Indeed, it was (is). It follows an idea, tells us a story. It is a
good album. But the music from The Wall never accomplished me having
out-of-body experiences.
Then you're doing it wrong... ;-)
Post by SiggiStardust
Like, remember the last part of Ummagumma Live (phono 2)? You can hear
only screaming, acompanied with great music. This is the best part on
that album.
Careful with that axe Eugene? Hmmm...that's on 1

Time to dig that rascal up.

My nomination for best song name comes off that album: Several Species of
Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict.
In college we were going to name our IM baskeball team after the song, but
couldn't fit it on the forms.
Charles R. Kaiser
2003-06-25 23:33:38 UTC
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Post by PadronMan©®
Ok all this talk about Pink Floyd has got me thinking. Who do you tend to
follow/like more from Pink Floyd
Roger Waters
David Gilmore
I choose and like Roger Waters best. Loved his voice and the talent he had.
You'?
Waters for sure.
--
Charles R. Kaiser HOKC - http://www.godtar.com
"There's two dates in time that they'll carve on your stone
And everyone knows what they mean. What's more important
Is the time that is known in that little dash in between"
Glarb Shattenstein
2003-06-26 00:28:37 UTC
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Post by PadronMan©®
Ok all this talk about Pink Floyd has got me thinking. Who do you tend to
follow/like more from Pink Floyd
Roger Waters
David Gilmore
I choose and like Roger Waters best. Loved his voice and the talent he had.
There is no better lyricist than Waters. I also happen to share his
world view, although not quite as pessimistic. "The Pros and Cons of
Hitchhiking" and "Amused To Death" are great albums. I think "Radio
KAOS" is pure crap, and RW concurs and is further evidenced by the
fact that on his last tour he did not play one song from that album.
He sings with raw emotion and has a unique insight into the human
psyche. That is what makes him special.

Buuuuut, sometimes I prefer Gilmour. I thought the post-Waters-Floyd
was mostly crap, but I do enjoy a few songs off of "Division Bell." I
also love Gilmour's solo album "About Face." Yeah, he was trying to
be Phil Collins on a few songs, but aside from those, great stuff. He
is one of the better guitar players in the world.

Having said all of that, I say the same of Waters-Gilmour that I
always say about McCartney-Lennon. Both were great, but neither was
ever as good as they were when they collaborated with the other.

RW's "Go Fishing" is his most compelling song, aside from "Comfortably
Numb." It is a real tear-jerker. His most beautiful piece is perhaps
"Every Stranger's Eyes." "The Gunner's Dream" is also an incredible
tribute to his father.

But my two favorite Floyd pieces for cranking on the stereo are "One
Of These Days" and "Echoes."

Glarb
Alex W.
2003-06-26 01:01:45 UTC
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Post by PadronMan©®
Ok all this talk about Pink Floyd has got me thinking. Who
do you tend to
Post by PadronMan©®
follow/like more from Pink Floyd
Roger Waters
David Gilmore
None of the above.

Syd Barrett.

Sorry, but I always had a soft spot for "The Piper at the
Gates of Dawn".
BobK
2003-06-26 03:30:37 UTC
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Post by PadronMan©®
Ok all this talk about Pink Floyd has got me thinking. Who do you tend to
follow/like more from Pink Floyd
Roger Waters
David Gilmore
I choose and like Roger Waters best. Loved his voice and the talent he had.
You'?
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Definately Gilmore. And of course Sid Barret!

Bob K
HoyoD
2003-06-26 03:42:54 UTC
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Post by PadronMan©®
Ok all this talk about Pink Floyd has got me thinking. Who do you tend to
follow/like more from Pink Floyd
Roger Waters
David Gilmore
I choose and like Roger Waters best. Loved his voice and the talent he had.
You'?
I have a hard time imagining PF without either one (haven't kept up with
much outside Relics to The Wall) so the question, when talking about the
group, wouldn't be applicable for me. It was the melding of the two that
created what was the essential Pink Floyd sound, in my mind.
Now, if you were to compare them as individual artists as judged by their
separate works I am definitely with David Gilmore.

chris
............now I can't get Dogs out of my head, dammit........
....you've got to be crazy..... you've gotta have a real need....
................
Stone Bell ®
2003-06-29 09:36:07 UTC
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I like both and pretty much only together, Gilmore's music with Waters
voice
goes together like Rootbeer and Ice-cream, each good by themselves, but
great together.
I agree. After hearing Waters without Pink and Pink without Waters, they
need each other badly. Gilmore's guitar is still there with Pink Floyd , but
Waters' lyrics are sorely missed...
--
Jim DeVault
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